SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

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SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 11 Jun 2014 13:31

Is it possible to create a SolydX BE 32-bit version out of a SolydX Home 32-bit by just changing the sources.list file to the BE repos? Would that work or break things? Reason I'm asking is because I'd like to have BE on my spare 32-bit laptop (I mentioned in another thread about bandwidth considerations and possible ISP move). I don't want to be hit with a several GB update if/when I need to pull that one out for something.

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 11 Jun 2014 14:14

You can, but you'll get into trouble when you remove, and want to reinstall stuff. You'll only get updates when Jessie becomes the next stable.

You can also downgrade all packages to the version available in stable, but chances are you'll break your system.


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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 11 Jun 2014 14:27

Sounds like it'll break either way. :( Well, since it's a spare laptop, whenever I use it I'll just have to ignore the updater. Or is there a way to reduce it's functionality so that it doesn't run unless I run it from the menu?

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 11 Jun 2014 14:38

You can delete or rename /etc/xdg/autostart/updatemanagertray.desktop


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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby zerozero » 11 Jun 2014 15:07

i'm sorry but must be said that this is a bad idea all around:
  • changing the repos from the HE to the BE won't automagically convert the system from one release to another, it will just:
    • leave it without security support because you won't get anymore the updates from HE-security but won't get either the updates from BE-security because all the app|lib are too new in the system to be updated by a security patch
    • leave all the app | lib installed in the system as obsolete what means that if you uninstall any of them you won't be able to install it again;
    • furthermore you won't be able to install the correspondent version from stable because in most situation dependent libraries will too new in the system;
    • trying to downgrade the system from the jessie snapshot we are at the moment to wheezy is irresponsible
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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 11 Jun 2014 17:03

@Schoelje: Thanks for the info. I'm going to make a note of that so that I can change my T61.

@zerozero: Good points. I didn't know any of this, so it's news to me. I won't be changing my SolydX HE on my T61 then. Just disabling the updater so that it won't try to use up bandwidth getting a list of updated packages - which I think might become a large list if I don't use that laptop very much (it's a spare, stored away in case I need a computer in an emergency and the my HP for whatever reason is inoperable).

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby kurotsugi » 11 Jun 2014 18:23

the situation will be changed when jessie enter freezing period. at that time you could change your repo into jessie and wait until it becomes stable. after that you could point your repo to BE's repo. there are some details require more attention though. the other solution will be forcefully downgrade to BE but I'm not recommending this method sine it's require higher technical skill and the risk is quite high especially if you're on KDE.

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby zerozero » 12 Jun 2014 10:11

RavenLX
are you sure your T61 is 32bit only?
all the information i found so far seems to indicate that it is 64bit capable.
booting that system can you share the output of

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cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep lm
[if the lm flag is present then the processor is 64bit capable]
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i- ... r-not.html
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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby ScottQuier » 12 Jun 2014 11:41

And here's another --> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_2/In ... 00%29.html

Seems to indicate that the CPU is 64-bit.
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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 12 Jun 2014 14:52

You guys are elite gurus! I have had this computer almost 7 years and I never knew that! It came with Windows Vista Home Premium for 32 bit computers. Go figure! You can bet on it I'll be redoing the T61 with SolydK 64 BE if that machine does 64 bit. Maybe it will handle it better that way.

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 12 Jun 2014 15:45

Schoelje wrote:You can delete or rename /etc/xdg/autostart/updatemanagertray.desktop
I just found a better alternative which I should have known better. :lol: I set the interval to check for updates to 24 hours. That means once a day which isn't as hard on bandwidth as once an hour.

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 12 Jun 2014 17:04

Did I build that into UM?
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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby ScottQuier » 12 Jun 2014 17:19

Schoelje wrote:You can delete or rename /etc/xdg/autostart/updatemanagertray.desktop
This is kinda funny. I researched and researched and searched and found (and posted) this answer here --> http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php? ... 083#p37643

Some 7 HOURS after you posted almost exactly the same thing. Great minds think alike, mine's just a bit slower on the up-take! :) :lol:
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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 12 Jun 2014 17:27

I see no other explanation!
Now that I come to think of it, perhaps it's better to divert that file instead of deleting it. If UM gets updated, a new file is created. If you divert it, that won't happen.


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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 12 Jun 2014 17:51

@Schoelje: You mean you didn't know you created that setting? :lol: Glad you did when you were thinking of it. It can be easier than messing with files. BTW, by divert, do you mean rename the original to something like *.old and then make a symlink of the exact file name (as it was before renaming) to /dev/null?

@Scott: I think that setting it to check every 24 hours in the Preferences is a better option for me. It is not as hard on bandwidth and yet it will at least notify me of any security updates that might be important. But all this other info on the files is good to know just in case.

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 12 Jun 2014 18:27

Diverting:

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dpkg-divert --add --rename --divert /etc/xdg/autostart/updatemanagertray.desktop.divert /etc/xdg/autostart/updatemanagertray.desktop
Removing:

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dpkg-divert --rename --remove /etc/xdg/autostart/updatemanagertray.desktop


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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 12 Jun 2014 20:04

Thanks for all the info. I'll be putting this all in my notes (I keep a CherryTree outline of Linux admin notes in case I need it).

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 13 Jun 2014 03:02

You guys rock!! Guess what I'm typing this on right now? 8-)

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@solydk-be-t61 ~ $ inxi -Fxxx
System:    Host: solydk-be-t61 Kernel: 3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.6.3) 
           Desktop: KDE 4.8.4 (Qt 4.8.2) info: plasma-desktop dm: kdm Distro: SolydXK 1 testing
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 7658CTO version: ThinkPad T61 Chassis: type: 10
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 7658CTO Bios: LENOVO version: 7LETC5WW (2.25 ) date: 11/14/2008
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo CPU T7100 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 7180.78 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 800.00 MHz 2: 800.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2a02 
           X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1280x800@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.5 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:284b 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: 1.0.24
Network:   Card-1: Atheros AR5212 802.11abg NIC driver: ath5k bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 168c:1014
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:1c:26:1b:e4:34
           Card-2: Intel 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection 
           driver: e1000e ver: 2.3.2-k port: 1840 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:1049
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: 00:1a:6b:3a:14:ce
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (0.2% used)
           1: id: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_MK2576GS size: 250.1GB serial: 517DB08DB 
Partition: ID: / size: 112G used: 5.2G (5%) fs: ext4 ID: /home size: 112G used: 397M (1%) fs: ext4 
           ID: swap-1 size: 6.44GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 51.0C mobo: 46.0C 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 3109 
Info:      Processes: 131 Uptime: 5 min Memory: 475.2/1971.6MB Runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.7.2 alt: 4.4/4.6 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.37 running in konsole) inxi: 1.9.14 
Yup, the T61 with SolydK BE 64-bit installed. No problems (haven't done an update yet but don't expect problems with that either). We'll see how it goes getting other stuff installed and getting it set up. Probably will do that tomorrow (I don't want to spend another night up to 4 am - again! LOL!)

Thanks to everyone here for the info. I'm glad I don't have to keep separate installations for "32-bit" and "64-bit" (as I would have for some stuff like Eclipse, for example). This is awesome! And extends the life of this computer. I was thinking of getting another 64-bit machine but thanks to you guys, I see I already have one all along - and never knew it!

I don't know why 32-bit Windows Home Vista was factory installed (and also is on the recovery CDs I got from Lenovo). That's odd. :?

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby jeffreyC » 28 Jun 2014 01:22

Both Windows and Linux used/preferred/advocated 32 bit installs on 64 bit hardware for years, some distros such as LinuxBBQ still do.

I would like to see a 32 bit SolydX BE for the old computers that still work, the best way to keep them out of the landfills is to keep them useable.
It would be great for the XP orphans.

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Re: SolydX BE 32-Bit and other odd flavors?

Postby Deleted User 2764 » 28 Jun 2014 01:33

You make a very good point about XP orphans, especially since I hear that many businesses still used XP (I don't know how many upgraded yet).


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